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#793757 - 23/11/06 05:40 AM Re: Calendar competition [Re: georgemc]
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 Written by: georgemc


Good points about the horizontal and vertical cropping and resolution - thanks all. Will cogitate on that some more, but the intent is to create a calendar, and hopefully most people know what a calendar normally looks like so can plan their images appropriately.




You can't trust that the people share your view on what a calendar normally looks like.. and we can't trust that you share our view. Be as specific as possible --> less hassle.

 Written by: Entheogen


I fully understand the no photoshop rule. I know a guy who can create photos with the craziest looking fire patterns- of course there's absolutely no fire involved, its all pasted/painted on. When there's a no photoshop rule, period, there won't be people looking at the end product saying, 'yeah, but that's probably faked anyway'.



This is graphic art not photography. Contrast and color correction etc is a normal part of digital photography. And a normal part of film photography.

 Written by: georgemc

Very hard to word a rule to allow people to edit for brightness etc but not add effects.



Maybe hard but I'm sure you can do it.


I am against the shoot as much as possible and then photoshop trend of digital photography. I really put time and effort to get perfect pics the oldschool way. But I take my pics in raw-format and I will correct the whitebalance, contrast, exposure/brightness and colors of the picture if I find it necessary. I might even edit something out of a picture if it can't be cropped. Meaning something like a small distant light in a black background etc. I will not add anything. Or edit the flames or whatever.

I think it is a good idea to submit also the original pic if it has been modified in anyway. But then again you can never be sure if the pic is modified or not. I guess it comes down to the judges to decide wheter or not the submitted picture is photography or graphic art.
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#793758 - 23/11/06 08:25 AM Re: Calendar competition [Re: Antti_Everything]
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??? But isn't using photoshop more of less synonymous with doing graphic art on a photo? I mean, editing something out can use the exact same methods as painting something in, so where is the line actually drawn?
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#793759 - 23/11/06 08:54 AM Re: Calendar competition [Re: entheogen]
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what about red eye?
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#793760 - 23/11/06 09:00 AM Re: Calendar competition [Re: the_mods_stole_my_name]
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 Written by: the_mods_stole_my_name


this may sound silly, but does it have to be a pic of just one spinner? could it be a group of people doing their thing, like at a meet?



Fine - but you'll need the permission of everyone in the shot to submit it.
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#793761 - 23/11/06 11:16 AM Re: Calendar competition [Re: entheogen]
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 Written by: Entheogen

But isn't using photoshop more of less synonymous with doing graphic art on a photo? I mean, editing something out can use the exact same methods as painting something in, so where is the line actually drawn?



I don't know where to draw the line. This is a forever ongoing discussion in photography forums. And I can submit pics to this particular competition without editing like this. But here is an example of a pic that I recently took and how I edited it. I edited out a piece of the slackrope and 2 small dots of light coming through the background fabric. And I still consider this photography. But like I said this kind of editing isn't necessary.

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#793762 - 23/11/06 12:08 PM Re: Calendar competition [Re: Antti_Everything]
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Great pic Antti
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#793763 - 23/11/06 12:45 PM Re: Calendar competition [Re: _Clare_]
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 Written by: Faithinfire

what about red eye?



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#793764 - 24/11/06 04:17 AM Re: Calendar competition [Re: UnscrupulousChavOffersFoot]
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why no photoshop?

I have cheap camera, plus many years of photoshop, that doesn't mean the photos aren't real.

I'd suggest your calender will be a lot better if you allow people to adjust the levels of the images, or at least convert to cmyk for you.

I mean the first thing whoeve makes the calender is going to do is, put it all into photoshop and adjust the levels (i hope)

And cropping photos is essential

Anyway, i'll be supplying images hugely manipulated in The Gimp It's much nicer than pshop anyhoo
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#793765 - 24/11/06 05:35 AM Re: Calendar competition [Re: TheWibbler]
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 Written by: TheWibbler


It's much nicer than pshop anyhoo





blasphemy!

who would speak out against the adobegod?!??!

stone the heretic!




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#793766 - 24/11/06 12:41 PM Re: Calendar competition [Re: Bubbles_]
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ahem

sorry to interupt the photoshop debate but can anyone help?

 Written by: Ze_Bubbles


i have some wicked ideas for this when im in france but my problem is a) im stupid, will a phone camera have enough resolution - mine is 3.2 megap.....?

what if i dont have a fancy camera whats the best way of getting the pic and being at least the minimum quality?

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#793767 - 24/11/06 09:54 PM Re: Calendar competition [Re: Bubbles_]
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The required resolution for the pic at the moment is 5 megapixels. So get a better camera or cheat and strech the picture into the required resolution hoping that it still looks good enough for printing. Phone cameras give crap quality anyway even with the higher resolutions these days.
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#793768 - 25/11/06 03:59 AM Re: Calendar competition [Re: Bubbles_]
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thankyou! ill see if i can a friend help me with the resolution, i dunno how it works
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#793769 - 25/11/06 05:16 AM Re: Calendar competition [Re: Bubbles_]
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stretching 3.2 megapixels to the equivalent dimensions of a 5 megapixel camera will not give you high enough definition that is desired for the print version of this calendar i'm afraid

the reason there is a specified resolution rtaher than specified dimensions is so that you can guarantee a print resolution of 300dpi at the desired size of the calendar (see my post on the first page for a link to a handy website that gives you conversions between pixel resolutions and the relative print sizes at 300dpi).

so basically, for digital camera users, the simple answer is: you must use as a minimum a 5 megapixel camera

note that this 5 megapixel minumum assumes that you have not cropped your image at all - to maintain the desired resolution in a cropped image, you will need to have used a higher resolution camera.


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#793770 - 25/11/06 06:55 AM Re: Calendar competition [Re: coleman]
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Thanks Cole
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#793771 - 25/11/06 05:18 PM Re: Calendar competition [Re: _Clare_]
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While we're talking about Low-res cameras: And I doubt this is going to be allowed, due to the photoshop problems: but would it be allowed to submit a series of say 4 to 6 photos arranged into a square rectangle?

Say a series of shots taken at different times during the same spin/at the same location, or even different viewpoints? i.e north/east/south/west views from on top of a mountain

that would allow people with lower res cameras to compete, but they'd have to produce at least 4 decent images first and then assemble them.

I heartily agree with the idea of allowing use of photoshop to 'tidy up' pictures, so long as the original photo is submitted as well... I don't think people will be that inclined to 'cheat' really.
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#793772 - 26/11/06 05:24 AM Re: Calendar competition [Re: LazyAngel]
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cheers cole!

i realy want to do my idea so will try and find a 5meg or higher to use which may prove difficult...
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#793773 - 26/11/06 08:42 AM Re: Calendar competition [Re: Bubbles_]
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I am thinking of entering hopefuly get some nice shots you might recongise some of the places lol
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#793774 - 28/11/06 05:36 PM Re: Calendar competition [Re: MikefromGlos]
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LazyAngel, I think thats a really cool idea.

*puts hand up to support it in the rules*
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#793775 - 30/11/06 01:07 AM Re: Calendar competition [Re: Rouge Dragon]
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You can strtch a 3Mpix image to 5Mpix by using proper printing software, it uses fractals to determin what the missing pixels should be and works amazingly well.

You can do it pretty well in pshop, just bump the interpolation settings up to the max, make it bigger than you need, then paint in any dodgy pixels, and shrink down the the desired size, oops, if you were allowed,

Cole, pshop 7 rocks, but cs1 and cs2 sucks the big one imo.

Adobe actually took out the ability for windoze to preview psd files from pshop in cs and made their dodgy and extremely processor hungry image viewer called bridge.

For years i kept an old version of pshop just so i could see psd thumbs, now i don't have and have to guess.

Gimp is at least as good as pshop 6 now, it's completely free and isn't bulked out to the max, like pHatshop. There is also a wicked theme called gimpshop which has identical menus to pshop. It's a bit weird to use but has some crazy features that pshop doeant, like script-fu

ANyhoo, all my images are manipulated so i can't enter, which is a shame.

I like the multi image idea.

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#793776 - 30/11/06 06:01 AM Re: Calendar competition [Re: TheWibbler]
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 Written by: TheWibbler


You can strtch a 3Mpix image to 5Mpix by using proper printing software, it uses fractals to determin what the missing pixels should be and works amazingly well.




i wouldn't say extremely well (although a 3Mp to 5Mp enlargement might not be *too* bad).

most printers would use hardware interpolation, not software i reckon - similar to what is used inside a high-resolution scanner.

quality of results depend on the content in my experience - its okay for enlarging very low res pixel stuff but i think its more than noticable on photos and it often has lots of trouble with text and other straight lines.


on the gimp v photoshop thing, i was only having a laugh to be honest
i only ever used photoshop 7 on a pc and moved directly to cs2 since i turned mac - i've never even used the gimp so i can't really comment at all.

i rarely use any of the advanced features and am really a lightweight photoshop user - pretty much only need it for image conversion, photo adjustment, scanning and so on.

i have to say i like the fact that adobe took the file browser out of photoshop and made bridge (but that's probably because i use photoshop, illustrator and indesign - if it could preview quark files too i'd be an even happier bunny but it'll never do that!).
i use it to manage my image library too.
why do you say its dodgy?

not sure the script-fu thing does it for me as i'm not a coder and far more important to me is photoshop's colour handling and tablet support (or does gimp supprt tablets now?).


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