Name that move!

Just a fun thread. describe a move, being as descriptive or vague as you wish to be, and if applicable 'name the move' above your post.

I'm new as far as how many moves I know so I'll hope someone more skilled than me can get this going

Have fun!

The thing where the poi spin in circles! I love that one

lol, sounds like fun, still a lot of moves&stuff in poi that are so new they don't have a name as such, just a long title of their component parts describing spin type, direction etc. On the other hand how bout we make this thread somewhere to thrash out ideas for names to complex moves? finally cutting down the massive descriptive hybrid titles to shortened nicknames...?
eg 'triquetra' is a commonly used name for a trifoil vs lv.1 extension hybrid...

to get the ball rolling how bout calling an isolation vs. horizontal cateye a big brother eye (or something related)
just a thought...

edit, that might already have a name, just an idea...

Ok I jave an idea, let's knock off certain groups of moves at a time, like since you started with cateye v. isolation hybrid. I think we should first come up with some rules for termilogy of hybrids, like a prefix or suffix to add on or something in the middle of the name that is really short and one means hands together, and one means hands opposite (hand follows poi).

How's that for a start

Isn't that already the distinction between hybrid vs. antibrid?

But yes, I think prefixes like that are a good idea.

E: After rethinking this, is it a good idea to use rules when coming up with "pet names", after all? I mean, "Mercedes" doesn't say a damn thing about what kind of a hybrid it is, but it's still a fun, descripitive name for the pattern.
If one wants to know how a move is done, that's what we have all the other familiar names for (hybrid, antibrid, antispin, inspin, isolated etc..), which are combined to create a detailed description of how a move looks. So they kinda work like prefixes and suffixes in and of themselves. But that isn't really what pet names are for, are they? They're just supposed to be fun.

So yah, on with the original intention of the thread, I'm all for "big brother eye" . Though might I suggest "sheep eye", since sheep actually have the horizontal iris (dunno if it's technically an iris, but you know what I mean...)?

i think having individual terms for hands apart/hands together and the like might be overcomplicating things for now, I think coming up with a name for the pattern itself should be enough for now, prefixes can be added but for now for the really techy side of it but I think it would be more practical to name patterns as a whole and maybe in 6months or so a good shorthand terminology will evolve for specifying the finer points of timing etc...

I'm just fed up of trying to convey in words a move which takes a short paragraph to describe

Yah, Liquid beat me to my edit.. *ninja'd*

I'm still searching for a new combo I can call "the astroglide". And when I find it, you are all obligated to keep that name for it

hahaha

wow, i want to learn it. It's not found yet, but I want to anyway just so I can say I can do the Astroglide. Sounds like a sexy dance move, so the move has to look sexy. Maybe that Nevisoul style beatswitch roll, it's kind of a sexy lookin move

you mean like the lube astroglide?

lol, is that really a lube?

yes its called astroglide rofl

Yup, naming it after the lube.

The moves I've been playing with are the opposite of spinning.

I prefer descriptive names. Just for what it is worth.

I see nothing wrong with calling 30 (different?) moves a hybrid, since the differences are fairly obvious if you are interested enough. If you want to be more specific, spell it all out.

If someone came up to me and asked to learn a big brother eye or a sheep eye or whatever, I would look at them in complete bewilderment. Cat-eye I can live with since it has become fairly common as shorthand.

I point-blank refuse to turn my poi hobby into stamp-collecting or taxonomy.

Yeah, the normal naming system is very straight-forward, but it's so hard to tell someone what the is and you pull out a name that is 20 words long!

I like the longer names, too. The shorter names are often limiting.

4-5 petal triquatra anyone? A lot of people don't even think of this... and its just as easy as a trifoil(2:1 ratio) antispin, extended(1:1 ratio) same direction spin hybrid.

Been thinking a bit more about this. It just does not work if you attempt to use something other than descriptive names.

For example: There are 64 basic compound circles (flowers) made up of:
arms - 2 directions, two timings (8 combinations)
poi - 2 directions, two timings (8 combinations as well)

Some are going to be wall- and some wheel-plane since arms do not always bend or pass through each other quite how we would like, but there is room for variations on the basic 64 anyways (for example: same time, same direction arms can easily swap sides).

So, just to describe flowers, you need 64 distinct names. Add in the complexity of swapping sides or doing flowers in the buzzsaw plane and you suddenly have well over 100 names needed. And this is before we even touch on how many petals (something most would feel is fundamental to describing a distinct flower move [at least, I do, when I want a distinct flower]) are in the flower, bearing in mind that you can have different numbers of petals in each hand. Oh yes, you can do flower moves atomically as well.
Admittedly without crunching the numbers properly, this gives me: 64 (base) + 64 (do in buzzsaw) + 32 (swapping sides on wall-plane flowers, which could be doubled if you swap the other way) + gods alone know how many variations on number of petals
All in all, well over 500 distinct moves by a simple estimate. All of which will need names. Have fun taxonomists!

And do not get me started on hybrids.

You could argue that I am looking at this in too fine a level of detail, but I feel that a flower wherein arms are split-time same direction, poi are split-time, same direction, anti-spun and one wherein arms are split-time same direction and poi are same-time same direction (note that only one variable changed) are distinct enough that they should be given different distinct names. Of course, this is to other spinners, laypeople would probably not be able to pick up the difference and quite frankly, I doubt 99% of them would even care.

If anyone still wants to give non-descriptive names to everything, feel free.

I will admit that some of these flowers are more common than others, but unless they are *very* common, I see no reason to come up with a name for them. An example here would be a cateye, which is common enough that describing something as a cat-eye has no ambiguity, anyway a cat-eye is a slightly special case.

Flowers have existed for a while but ultimately people don't do that many flowers, things have settled to only 8 visual forms: 2 or 4 petal split same inspin, 3 or 4 petal split same antispin, 'goofy' extension vs 3 petal antispin either same or opposite, or 4 petal opposites antispin or inspin.

I think a similar thing will happen with all the hybrids.

@ aston
I'm not dissing the longer names, descriptive names are very useful but even if you just look at the terms triquetra, CAP, cateye etc these names didn't exist a few years ago, they just evolved over time as people used the patterns a lot, they still need definition in terms of mode/orientation/plane etc when your describing them in detail but you save yourself a lot of breath in describing the overall pattern itself. can you imagine talking about a {3 petal antispin vs extension hybrid with hands together on a wall plane with the poi in opposites} when the word triquetra would suffice? most move titles come from somewhere, even going back to when someone playing with poi or clubs or something got fed up of talking about spinning split time same direction parallel planes between their arms and decided to call it a buzzsaw.
I'm not saying do away with long names, we still need them, just that some commonly used patterns might benefit from having a nickname as we move onwards...

Yah, I wasn't thinking that that these short names were necessarily supposed to be more useful or needed.. I thought the purpose of this thread was just to make up names for the fun of making up names.

I tried.

@Revo
I also think we should just make up names for fun, hence Astroglide, which I am not afraid to call that roll at all. What else would I call it? The only other thing I can think of is beatswitch roll and I'm not even sure about that one so Astroglide it is

currently I'm learning to juggle, about the only move i know so far though is 'throw the f#kin balls at the wall in frustration'...
ARGH!!!!! lol

I have no idea what different things there are for juggling, all I know is, throw things in air, catch them. Throw larger amounts of things in air, catch them. Throw something(s) very high in air, do something, catch them. And as far as I know, that's it.

liquidtrance: try with just one ball at first, tossing it from one hand up in an arc and back down to the other. Don't focus on your hands, but on where the ball is and will be.

After that seems pretty natural, add a second ball, you'll want to toss the 2nd ball just before catching the first.

If you're after the 3-ball cascade (the typical 3 ball juggle), you'll want to toss the 2nd ball when the 1st hits the top of it's arc, and do the same for the 3rd when the second reaches the top of it's arc... Sorry if my explanations are kinda crappy... Here is a link that has some useful animations http://learnhowtojuggle.info/ . Also, if I remember right, Dube has a detailed step-by-step illustrated guide on their website.

Not saying that some short names are not useful, just laying out what you are taking out of the bag here.

But I still prefer the longer names over things like triquetra and cateye.

What else can you say for a cateye?

1 beat 0 petal antispin?

I support the use of cateye and extension because they are special. They are very different in appearance to the other numbers of beats in their sets.

But, I must point out... the point of this thread wasn't intended to be discussing the nonclemature of poi terminology.

I support short terms for a lot of things. But I like to interchange the names as best suited for the situation.

MNS: True actually, on both counts.

So let us try going back on-topic:

Arms crossed, poi move in circles, wheel plane. Go.

Wallplane crosser

Just came up with a silly forward 1.5 variation where one hand is doing a 3 bt weave and the other is always just penduluming back and forth on alternating sides of the body. I opt for calling it "saving the cheerleader", but I welcome names that aren't stupid, too

Nice one. Not the name though.

I don't get what it's supposed to be. I like the name though.

Wouldn't cateye technically have 2 petals? Like how in other antispin flowers: 3 beats creates 4 petals, 2 beats creates 3 petals, etc... In cateye the petals aren't "loops" per say, but just fo consistancy's sake, I'd rather think of it as 2 petals instead of 0

If that tickles your fancy.

But a "petal" is a visual term, rather than a technical term.

You can call it twelve tiny monkeys doing backflips on minibikes if you really like, doesn't bother me.


I understand saving the cheerleader, btw. And I like the name... its a stupid name, but its a stupid looking move, too, so it suits!

Ouch!

I think 1.5s are stupid looking in general, but it doesn't stop them from being fun

Ouch? I said I loved the name! I think Sissy Leven got what aah ment!

I don't know what move he's talking about. I personally like a lot of 1.5's. They're also a good transition and reverse pendulum weaves look awesome with fire

I dinnae understand the name though.

The move itself is awesome.

"saving the cheerleader" is so-called because it's usually followed by a move called "saving the world"... which I haven't invented yet.

(Say what you will about seasons 2+, Heroes Season 1 was boss.)

You just reminded of me of one time my family was in a sports bar. And one of the waitresses looked exactly like the cheerleader. And my mom whispered "Save the cheerleader." I was holding in laughter and my dad was confused.

Oh. Vaguely makes more sense now....

ok i have a move that i have no idea what the name of it is it is a 3 beat but on the last beat on each side on that side you bring that arm back and then back into 3 beat so when you do the third beat your arm is extended behind your right side when on the right and then when you goto the left side you bring your left arm back on the last beat it is similar to a lock out take out 3 beat weave

I think I know what you mean.

I do a move where as I'm doing a reverse 3-beat weave, on the beat where you bring your arm back across (either/both arms) you throw it over your shoulder so it comes up and over and goes back into a weave pattern.

Will have to do a video at some point so people get what I mean.

EDIT: Here...

no that is not it i will have to make a vid most likely

I'm guessing it's similar to what Zelenkia did in his video but instead of bringing that arm up behind the head you bring it straight back so that your arm is extended behind you.

Is that correct?

yeah and there is no rotation of the arm it is strait back

That's what I thought. I played with it a bit after that post, not entirely sure how it actually looks though as I don't really have a mirror large enough to watch myself spin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIq0eg5wn-A
this is the lock out take out weave thingy please correct me if the terminology is wrong

My firend, I believe that would just be called a 3bt weave. You open up kind of like you're about to turn, but I'd just say a 3bt weave. It wouldn't really be a lockout unless you let them make a beat or more while taken apart because they are never taken out of their weaving pattern in that video.

Now my conclusion, 3bt weave. Maybe a kind of extended 3bt at most.

Yeah, I'd say linear extension 3bt. Not that it isn't actually kind of interesting.

What is it that you're calling a linear extention, Sister Eleven?

Same thing's called a linear extension in Encyclo-poi-dia 2 and most places I've seen the term: moving the hand in a straight line with the direction of the poi. The result is an elliptical shape two poi lengths wide.

i say just a 3bt weave doing an extension while it is on either side. When I was new to poi i would open up my poi on the side of my weave and make an extra beat.

Also Good definition of linear extension sisters eleven

He does not do a linear extension though. A linear extension s just moving your hand up and down with the poi, he's moving his hands in a circle.

no my hand goes straight back in a line sometimes i forget and it does a semi circle but later last night i found i can do a 3 beat like thread the needle

That's why I say extension not linear extension.

I find linear extensions are hard to incorporate and only works well (with my experience) with wallplane flowers and some geometric patterns

yes but almost anything that can be done on wallplane can be done on the wheel plane and such

SoD: Well, a linear extension can go horizontally or diagonally, too. To me it looked like he was going for a linear extension and just getting his hand tugged by weight or by muscle memory. His hands may have been going in an ellipse, but they were certainly not a circle by my reckoning.

The linear extention in a 3 beat weave would work a lot better in a wall plane anyway.

Well, it already IS in a wall plane, but your mind is in a wheel plane, tying you to muscle memory and physical limitations simply because of the direction you insist your hips face.

Maybe try facing the wall plane, doing the 3 beat weave as more of a waist wrap(in front, not a btb waistwrap) and then doing the linear extension in the front wall plane.

And "extension" is just extending the arms, an "extension" on its own would imply it remains in a circular path, I suppose.

i've never thought of doing it from like a flower but i know what ya mean i will definately have to try that as well

ok what is it called when you do a anti spin same direction split time wallplane flower and at the third point you inspin back to the other side and repeat?

Can you post a picture it makes ?

Its the one that goes from crossed to uncrossed. It'll be a 4 petal antispin flower (can probably be done with 6, but its tough to get the last few petals looking nice) with a circle around the outside, or a circle in the middle if you isolate the return.

It can also be done with a cateye/isolation which looks nice.

I don't believe I've ever heard of that movement having a name.

ok i have another one what about a armpit reel? what that be what it was called? i found the other day that you can do a reel like a shoulder reel then armpit then waist then armpit then shoulder reel

Isn't an armpit reel just the same thing as a hip reel but your hands raised up?

There are a variety of ways to add linear extensions, or at least elliptical accents to weaving moves. You can certainly do them vertically, diagonally or horizontally. It just takes some cleaning up to get it very linear. You can also do an ellips with every beat, a bit like punching every beat of the weave.

*update* I decided to dig up some concepts to do with linear extensions and ellipse pulses: http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/ubbt...html#Post917891

well it adds another 2 beats to the moon chasing sun vid i put up so i dont really know if it is any different or not i wouldnt call it a hip reel or a shoulder reel i dont quite know what to call it or if it has been named already or what

ok does anyone know what a 2 beat atomic that has 6 beats total would be called?

If it has 6 beats wouldn't it be a 6 beat atomic?

but it is 2 beats on the right 2 beats on the left then 2 beats in the middle before it resets to the right there is a tutorial on it in the learn section now

ok awhile back i learned how to do a in spin flower on a wheel plane in a weaving sort of fashion and just recently i started isolating each petal i havent got it down good yet anyone ever heard of this?